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Perez on the Playoff Roster?

Mike SteffanosSaturday, September 30, 2006
By Mike Steffanos


I was watching a little of the Marlins-Phillies game this afternoon and thinking ahead to the playoffs. One thing that has intrigued me somewhat is that whenever he talks about the pitchers on his playoff roster, Willie Randolph keeps bringing up the name of Oliver Perez. Although my personal opinion is that it would be better to put Perez aside until he has a chance to do some extensive work with Rick Peterson next spring, it is interesting to contemplate what you might do with Perez if you put him on the playoff roster. Please note that this is not what I think the Mets should do or will do, it's just an interesting way to kill some time on a Saturday afternoon with the playoffs still at least 3 days away.

As far as pure stuff goes, Perez probably has the best of anyone still on the team. He's not consistent, but he has a good moving fastball in the low 90s and an excellent slider when he gets on top of it at release. John Maine probably has more life on his fastball, but has no secondary pitch of the caliber of Perez' slider when it's right. So, if you decided to put Oliver Perez on your playoff roster, what would you do with him? The easy answer is to put him in the bullpen and use him to pitch to a lefty or two, but I would think that you would trust Pedro Feliciano, Darren Oliver and Royce Ring more in one of those spots. All 3 have experience out of the bullpen, and the last thing you need is to bring in someone to face a lefty and walk him.

No, the only way I would put Perez on the roster would be if I planned to start him. I'd send him out there and tell him to go all-out for 4 or 5 innings and give me all he had. I'd use John Maine as a middle reliever, since he is much better the first time through an order than the second or third anyway. He could be aggressive with his fastball pitching a couple of innings, not needing his mediocre secondary pitches as much in that role. It's a roll of the dice, but if Perez is on he's capable of giving me a Pedro-esque start. I tell you quite frankly that I wouldn't do it if I was making the decisions, but I couldn't deny that it would be an interesting move.

Daily News: Pedro
Adam Rubin sheds a little more light on Pedro's impending shoulder surgery. I'm not ready to express my opinion on this -- I'll do it tomorrow.

Baseball Prospectus: Principles
While many defend the rights of the 2 reporters in the Balco case that were sentenced to jail for not revealing how they got a hold of sealed grand jury testimony, Joe Sheehan weighs in on the rights of those who gave the testimony under the expectation of anonymity:

The crime was committed when the leaker passed the testimony to the reporters. Let's be clear about that. Neither of these men has committed a crime. Once the testimony was in their hands, they were legally free to use it in any manner they chose. But they were also free not to use it, to put the principle that grand-jury testimony is sealed above the pursuit of headlines, above the instinct to share all available information with the public, above profit. They were free then to make a principle the backbone of their story. No book deal would have come about, but they would also not be looking at jail time.

The freedoms that we have in this country are broad, but they are not absolute. In the same way that your freedom of speech can't be used to directly endanger others, and your freedom of action ends when it encroaches mine, the freedom of the press stops at the point where it willfully infringes upon other institutions.

Are we there now? I don't know. I am not sure if it's right that Fainaru-Wada and Williams may go to jail for their refusal to testify. The practice of jailing recalcitrant witnesses is ham-fisted, serving more to create martyrs than to induce testimony. I am certain, however, that the sympathy the two now receive is disproportionate to the situation. They profited handsomely from their willingess to shred the protections afforded grand jury witnesses, from their willingness to be the vessel by which more than a dozen people were publicly shamed, to be a tool in the government's leverage game.

The real victims here are the people who had their agreements with the government violated, who had their testimony revealed. Fainaru-Wada and Williams are responsible for that. Perhaps some of the sympathy for those two could be saved for the people who never got the chance to argue the value of principles with the people who chose to dismiss theirs so readily.

I couldn't agree more. I know this is a week old (I was on vacation), but it's an important point. The whole steroid issue has become something of a witch hunt, with more interest in scapegoating some unpopular players rather than taking a sincere look at the problem. The rights of those whose testimony was leaked were just as valid and important as the rights of two reporters to publish that testimony -- and making a ton of money by cashing in thanks to the violated rights of those who testified. Unfortunately, I also agree with Joe Sheehan that jailing these two accomplishes little other than making martyrs out of them.

getting paid to watch...: An interesting parallel
Bob uses the series against the Dodgers in 1988 to make an important point about this season.

Faith and Fear in Flushing: Punditry
Greg calls in the experts to remove our hope for the playoffs and our very will to live. Of course, they are only too happy to oblige.

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Comments (8)

Whose car did Dave Williams key to not get a second look after performing so admirably? Willie's? Omar's? Jeff's?

I think he slept with someone's wife, actually...

I like Williams. I don't think he or Perez really makes the roster, but if I had to pick one it would be Dave.

Pedro is gone: Thanks for the 2005 year. Theo and soxx new and commented on this injury LAST year. given the success Pedro had that was quelled somewhat. Pedro was VERY vocal about the VZ injury ..AGAIN , ONE YR LATER than it really was. EVERY BODY IN BASEBALL KNOWS Pedro had shoulder issues. He USUALLY hits 99mph, so this 88-89mph garbage had red flag written all over it even if it was still effective.

This news to me is FANTASTIC. As Mike C has already said if we had a shadow of Pedro circa 1999 we already have that WS trophy. Now the ghosts can relax. Yes omar can swing that Calf & toe issues led to Shoulder ...but Jason Stark, gammons et al will be all over this...and guess what ...it wont have any effect because...THE METS WON ANYWAY!

Now for the gravy: The Evolution of Maine, Acquisition of Ollie , maturation of Devaney-Humber-Pelfrey-Collazo, add glavine, Schmidt(FA) .....then (drum roll) the Sept addition of Pedro (and VZ) and you have 'unstoppable'. While I am posting brantley is re-iterating. Unlike what brantley is saying I think Pedro will be fine.

To me the dynasty is more important than just a WS 'appearance' al a 2000.

ON Olllie: Yes If we need a 2nd LHP ollie is it. Mike, Take the first 5 innings of all of Ollie's starts and see what you have. I think you will find in at least 3 starts the significant damage happens in the 6th and after 90-100 pitches. Tell him u want 5 innings only and you may see something special.

With the questions about Trachsel now Perez would certainly be a much bigger possibility, that's for sure.

Its the end of A Shabbos and while Im reading of Moshe Rabeinu on the Mt. top, our ace fell off of his.....Pedro's shoulder is toast... for now anyway. Its in the hands of another ace..3 aces to be exact..Dr.Altchek and the pro from Beantown and another OrthopedicSurgeon....Rotator surgeries are not perfect its still dependant on uncontrollable factors.

I sense that Pedro has been breakingdown for some time...The Red Sox suggested it when they let him go...F- them anyway, I say its our great benefit to have him with us...but the fact remains that Pedro has a violent motion..he's whiplike in that hes not so big but hee had great tutoring from Koufax with his power leg striding...he drags his foot while twisting his body in a corkscrew ..the foot shudders under that kind of torgue..a foot has only so many times it can do that before it caves in to the incredible stress...

When Pedro compensates for this it automatically alters his mechanics and sets strains on other joints specifically..Damn fall on the cold tile of Marlins clubhouse actually probably screwed it up considearbly...the frigging ump who sent him in to change his shirt in Miami should be made to clip Pedros toenails while in rehab....not the point however...the point is that this toe is unoperable otherwise we would be hearing about it...sesamoiditis....its a hinge under his bigtoe that launches the foot upwards...without that starting point of action...Pedros whipsaw is limited at its root..hes ssuch a Waarior that hes been bringing is spite of the loss of his start.hes essenatillay throwing with the rest of his motion calf,hip, shoulder.....and trying thru overcompensation to get the velocity...and now the tissue gave out, simply cant handle the strain.

I am a professional sports medicine practitioner and acupuncturist, as you know, and I unsucessfully lobbied in ST for modalities which were not implemented by the training staff...they are tremendous, and certainly decisions also come from ther top affecting the training regimen..Im not stating that I could have helped! the inevitable outcome, was I believe...inevitable...

Pedro should live long and be well. Soon... We will all be drinking from the Cup, with him... P holding it in his hands,... even without those same hands throwing like the Pedro we know and love...

ESPN is reporting that former major league pitcher Grimsley claims Clemens is a steroid user. No say it aint so! Not the same pitcher that went roid crazy after Piazza's broken bat flew at him in the WS.

If Perez somehow was to make the roster, I would want him to be assigned a newly minted job, that of Long Man for Games in which the Mets are Already Behind. Half of the Sid Fernandez job description in '86, in other words.

That way, he might possibly stop the other side's momentum and give the Mets the chance to climb back into a game that was slipping away. Or else blow up, give the other side a BIG lead, which would still only count as one loss anyway.

I wouldn't trust him with a start or a lead; not after his last two outings. But the Mets could take advantage of the fact that Oliver Perez is not the sort of pitcher you'd expect to see come in to keep a game from slipping away; he's anything but a comfortable assignment for opposing batters.

n8genius - I just hope we see him pitch again. Despite all of the brave talk, I wonder about a 35-year-old coming back from shoulder surgery. You'd know more about that than I.
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Patrick - That has to be one of the worst-kept secrets in sports, isn't it? Was anyone shocked?
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dd -- Just sort of fun specuation there. If the Mets were going to go with a middle reliever Williams, who throws strikes, would make much more sense.

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