« Closure | Main | I'm Eating Sour Grapes, Because There's Nothing Else to Eat »

Predicting the Mets' Off-season

Barry DuchanThursday, October 8, 2009
By Barry Duchan

Several weeks ago, I wrote that the Mets would retain Minaya and Manuel and make only enough moves to give the impression that they are trying to improve the team, with an eye on the pocketbook.

Well, M and M are back and Jeff Wilpon is publicly saying that the Mets will spend "whatever Omar needs" to make the team a contender next year. There has been a minor shuffle in the coaching staff and several rumors have been circulating regarding the team's plans. Here's my take on what will happen regarding some of those rumors:

RUMOR #1 - The Mets will reach out to Wally Backman and offer him a meaningful job in the organization.
PREDICTION - The Mets will promote AAA manager Ken Oberkfell to third base coach and shuffle the managers within the organization, creating an opening at Savannah. Backman will interview for the post and may even be offered and accept the job if nothing better comes up. This would hardly put him in line to be the next manager of the Mets, but might create some positive vibe among Mets fans.

RUMOR #2 - The Mets will consider hiring J.P. Ricciardi or Josh Towers as assistant to Omar Minaya.
PREDICTION - The Mets will talk to both and one of them might wind up with a job with the team, again pending any better offers they might get. They will become the likely successors to Minaya if either accepts.

RUMOR #3 - The Mets will make a play for Roy Halladay.
PREDICTION - The Mets will discuss Halladay with the Jays. The Jays will insist the Mets take Vernon Wells as part of the deal. Rumors will intensify that the Mets are offering some combination of the following players: Daniel Murphy, Angel Pagan, Fernando Martinez, Mike Pelfrey, Brad Holt, and Eddie Kunz. The Jays will bring up Ike Davis, Jenrry Mejia, Wilmer Flores, and Jeff Francoeur and try to turn the Mets' attention to Lyle Overbay and one of their lesser starting pitchers. Any deal completed between the teams won't involve Halladay. Or the talks could break down completely.

RUMOR #4 - The Mets will talk to the Rays about Upton, Crawford, and Pena
PREDICTION - The Mets will bring up the same names that they did with Toronto and find that the Rays have interest in Jeff Francoeur and Fernando Martinez as well as some of the prospects. The Rays will offer Pat Burrell, who was a bust with them but built his reputation with his slugging against the Mets. The name Andy Sonnanstine, once regarded by some as the Rays' best pitcher, but who had a terrible season, will surface. The Mets may actually make a multi-player deal with the Rays, but it won't be a no-brainer and the Mets won't get Crawford. I could see Pena or Upton plus Sonnanstine possibly coming to the Mets for a 5-player package which won't even look good when the deal is made and that will turn out bad in the immediate future and even worse in the long run. But if it happens, it will be the talk of the winter (for Mets fans). I'm sure there are many Mets fans who would be excited if the Mets added B.J. Upton or Carlos Pena. Well, for say, Daniel Murphy and Pat Misch, I would be too, but it will cost a lot more and I don't think it will be worth it in either case.

RUMOR #5 - The Mets will make a big play for a free-agent power hitter.
PREDICTION - The Mets will look into Matt Holliday and Jason Bay, but both will get better deals from better teams and the Mets will say they made "competitive" offers and sign someone like Melvin Mora instead as a super sub and "feel-good" story. The Mets might pick up someone like an Austin Kearns to throw into the mix.

RUMOR #6 - The Mets will go after the top free agent pitchers
PREDICTION - The Mets will talk about John Lackey, but he'll go elsewhere. The Mets' most serious involvement could be with Joel Piniero, who they just might get if they overpay.

RUMOR #7 - The Mets will get a new #1 catcher
PREDICTION - It won't be Victor Martinez. The Mets WILL sign one of the many journeymen catchers with big league experience who are available, maybe a lefthanded hitter, maybe a switch-hitter, to split the job with Omir Santos. The Mets may well get a Molina, but most likely, Gustavo (the unrelated one). In any case, it won't be the second coming of Gary Carter or even Jerry Grote.

CONCLUSION - There will be a bunch of new faces on the Mets by spring training and they will certainly offer more promise than the likes of Elmer Dessens, Ken Takahashi, Wilson Valdez, and Jeremy Reed, to name just a few of the players who likely won't be back, but they won't be anywhere nearly enough to compete with the Phillies, Braves, or Marlins. If the Mets can stay closer to first place than last, Jerry and Omar may keep their jobs through the season, though not likely beyond. The Mets should not make the mistake of trading relatively young proven major leaguers like Pelfrey and Francoeur, unless they are getting a no-question-about it bonafide star in exchange. Unfortunately, I think either or both may go in a miscalculated deal to bring in a "tools" guy like a B.J. Upton or Chris Young.

Note: More of Barry Duchan's writings can be found on his own Metscentric blog.

About Barry Duchan: I've been following the Mets since 1962. Have to admit I was a Yankee fan as a kid, but I found it to be so much more interesting to see how a young team could build itself up rather than following a team where the season didn't really begin until October. I remember them all - Casey, Marv, ChooChoo, Don Bosch, The Stork, etc. As the years went on, I became more and more of a Mets fan, and a Yankee hater once Steinbrenner and Billy Martin entered the picture.   Read More -->

If you missed it, check out Barry's terrific series on Mets Second Basemen: A History of Mistakes

Comments (4)

Gee Barry, where have you been? I likewise became a Met fan in 1967 after the Yankees traded Roger Maris; was a Yankee fan before that since 1957. You have written a very accurate diatribe and criticsm of our sad organization. I have also cried out loud about how the bumblings of the Wilpons (particularly Jeff) have led us into the dumper. I couldn't agree any more with you regarding your perspective of this team. It is all BS. The promises as well as the intention is hollow. I will not go see the Mets at Citifield until there is new ownership or at least a new partner. I am thoroughly disgusted with the management of this organization. They do not want to win; just fill fannies in seats. The money spent is an attempt to try to fill holes in a sinking ship.
Its sad to hear how this organization is going to turn around only to hear that Florida is already talking to Bobby V. Why aren't we? I'm further surprised that the uniforms are not powder blue and say "Dodgers" on the front. What an embarrassment to laud a organization and forget about 50 years played at Shea. The Wilpons should hide their heads as they have shamed their own organization as if to be embarrassed to salute it in the opening of a new ballpark. Yes, the way they are running this team, I would be embarrassed too.

Great article, Barry............ Thanks,

I know this is heresey....but living in Newport Beach, CA for 16 years....the Angels became my second favorite team. I even split a season ticket package.

Compare and contrast:

1) Stadium so clean you can eat off the ground.
2) Reasonable ticket prices....think new Mets prices and multiple by 50%.
3) Lots of family promotions.
4) No players getting into media trouble.
5) No nonsense manager who will not tolerate innuendo, backbiting, etc.
6) No signing of overpriced and or overthe hill free agents (exception...Gary Matthews Jr)
7) A tradition of excellence. Think a decade. Rated #1 Sports Franchise by ESPN>
8) Speed, power, defense, starting pitching....good scouting and farm system...everything that the Mets seem to lack.

Sorry....its hard to stay a Mets fan even with my MLB package. And I hope they do us all a favor and beat dreaded Boston and the even more dreaded Yankees.

Talking about the Mets for a moment: there is one way a team should acquire a player like BJ Upton, and that is at a discount. If that could be accomplished I would like to see it happen; and generally speaking I believe the Rays might be one of the best potential trading partners out there. As with the Oakland A's over the decades, Tampa has the ability to win games but little prospects for acquiring a strong fan base, which will continually put them in a save-money mode.

With David Price, Jeff Niemann and Wade Davis all taking the next step forward last season the Rays will certainly listen to interest in their starters, and no doubt they would love to have someone take Andy Sonnestine off their hands; he's the sort of control righty that will always be on the brink of pitching himself out of the league. Personally I believe that James Shields could be had as well; I think he's actually making some money at this point. Sonnestine as a throw-in would be a worthwhile gamble for the Mets. What would the Rays want in exchange? The best of our farm system of course.

The Mets have occasionally shown the ability to identify and acquire upside-type players at a discount (Oliver Perez, John Maine, Jeff Francoeur); their problem has been recognizing that those players were available at a discount for a reason, and resisting the impulse to overpay them once they have become Mets employees (Oliver Perez, and soon Jeff Francoeur). In my opinion this results from the thinness of the farm system, and also (apparently) the team's tendency to interrupt the search of other teams' systems periodically -- at least that's what seems to happen with the Mets front office. It's that lack of continual input of other options that leads to a team falling in love with so-so talents at hand. I don't really expect the Mets to become successful traders until they fix that problem.

I like your ideas on Upton and Pena. You could put Pelfrey in deal and maybee make that happen (i think).

About Mike's Mets

Please support Mike's Mets:

Disclaimer: Mike's Mets is an independent, unofficial fan site, and is not affiliated in any way with the New York Mets or Major League Baseball.

Other Links

General Baseball Links
Internet Radio Shows
Video Blogs
Other Team Links
Other Sports Links
Non-Sports Links
Video Direct

Looking for great deals on MLB Baseball Tickets? Visit JustgreatTickets.com for Cubs Tickets, NY Mets Tickets and a huge selection of Red Sox Tickets, Yankees Tickets and plenty of great concert Tickets for Dave Matthews Band Tickets and Buffett Tickets

Creative Commons License
This weblog is licensed under a Creative Commons License.
Powered by
Movable Type 4.1